[NWA] ECW Terror in Tabor

[Grape Ape]

NWA: Eastern Championship Wrestling presents ...
Terror in Tabor
11.29.1993
from the Tabor Community Center

1. Jimmy Stone submits Joe College.

2. Stevie Richards and Christopher Michaels w/Hunter Q. Robbins III battle to a time limit draw.

3. JT Smith defeats Wildman Sal Bellomo w/Cosmic Commander.

4. Stan Hansen destroys Don E. Allen.

5. Stan Hansen beat Chris Douglas.

6. PG-187 defeat the Bon Jovi Boys.

7. Tommy Cairo defeats the Rockin' Rebel.

8. GQ and Tommy Dreamer beat the Tazmaniacs w/Tony Rumble to retain the ECW Tag Team Titles.

9. Sandman pins Omar Atlas to become the New ECW Heavyweight Champion.

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And then there is this lol. Would have liked at least to see finishes, like what move was used to end the match. This is pretty bare bones and there is stuff like Stan Hansen working twice in a row that an explanation would help of what happened to lead to that.

That said, good to see Sandman win the belt. The tag team scene here is looking pretty good off the bat. And no shortage of cult teams to replace these ones on the FA list with if there are eventual splits and solo runs for the bigger names. I like that it seems you have at least something of a plan for JT Smith early on.

Never got to see a "Dangerous Alliance" in the previous ECWs here, but I always dug the version of Eddie Gilbert, Muraco, Snuka, and The Dark Patriot. While that 1 may be past due as even by just a year later to 94, Muraco was not much, but seeing something like that could be interesting here. Maybe as a way to elevate some names. I am assuming you have Heyman, maybe a wrong assumption since he was not on either of these shows, so if you do not, you can pretty much ignore this comment lol.

[Grape Ape]

Here's the plan for ...

A big monthly show is broken up on a weekly basis for television. There will be finishes as well as explanations for those things that need explanations.

When I wrote ECW previously, my TV was the monthly big show, just chopped up. One of the suggestions was that I post a rundown of the results, so I did that here.

I could do this after it has run it's course on TV but I think even knowing the results beforehand, the explanations of why and how things were done would be enough to bring you back even if you knew the results.

[Grape Ape]

By the way, I do have Paul Heyman.

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Hmmm, ok. Yeah, it does bring me back to read TV, but I would rather just maybe you post the list of matches rather than results? For example now when I read the TV, there would not be much drama to Sandman vs Omar Atlas for the title when I know who wins it. Ultimately though, it is not a big deal and I can just not read the shows like this in the future if I do not want to, and choose to wait for TV.

The format makes sense though. Like the real ECW did basically with Arena shows at this point in their existence.

[Grape Ape]

I can post the line-ups versus the results.

[somethingsavage]

I like the results. Given the way that magazine & dirt-sheet circulation was becoming more & more widespread, I think it actually places us (more realistically) square in the midst of the time period. Just my two cents though.

If any tweaking were done, I'd actually recommend to go a step further and perhaps give us a more accurate indication of the results with a match-time given as well as the outcome. That may be stealing a bit much from Pack's playbook though. ;D

Carry on however ya wish. Just my thoughts on the subject. I kind of like the slow peel-away approach with the results though. Seems to me like it'd be A LOT easier on the promoter/writer in terms of sheer workload, and that turnover could lend itself to more creativity where it counts.

[Grape Ape]

Like I said, this was one of the things asked for when I wrote ECW previously. Personally, I'd rather see the results on the shows myself if I were reading but I thought I'd give it a try and see what the response, if any, was.

I will say, even knowing the results, I think there are some surprises as to how we came to those results.

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Yeah, do whatever you want. This is such a minor part that it really would not impact anybody in any way, and should be how you want to do it. I disagree with a lot of what somethingsavage said, but given what this is and the results come later regardless, I do not think he is right or wrong. It is really just preference and ultimately up to you.

[somethingsavage]

Not about a right way or a wrong way, really. Just more of personal preference, different tastes, and what suits each writer individually. Not everyone is going to crank out 10-pages of match details on a weekly basis. And it's not necessarily something that HAS to be done that way on a weekly basis either.

When I wrote, I tried to focus on the stories and angles week to week. Buildup, angst, anticipation, and hype. That's what the weekly shows are intended to center around. Just my two cents on the subject. PPVs, mega events, super-cards - that's where you pay it off & can really saturate your stuff with fine details, move-by-move breakdowns and match analysis, etc.

Again, agree to disagree. No harm, no foul. It's just that - whatever he's comfortable doing, he should do. Whatever lends itself to a more freeing creative outlet to funnel his ideas and keep his interest invested in the project. If a promoter feels burdened or bogged down by that stuff, it's hard to truly have fun with any of it. And that comes across. Ain't meant to be a job. It's a hobby, and it should be approached as such. When it stops being fun, that's when people abandon ship and leave.

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Well my agree to disagree was about wanting match lists posted here instead of results, and not liking the slow peel approach with these spoilers. And I said you are not right and you are not wrong and it is to preference, so we agree there.

I apologize to Grape if somewhere in there I gave the impression that he should be doing more, maybe in the first reply when I asked for finishes to the matches I guess. That was not my intention in here though in case he took it that way.

As for the rest that seemed directed at my writing, I will take it into consideration.

[somethingsavage]

Nah, not directed at your writing. I actually like your style, so long as it fits you. Sorry if I came off a little harsh there, man. Not at all my intention. I was just trying to emphasize that not everyone can pull off the heavy work-rate stuff like you, Drew, etc.

Kudos for those that can, but I just didn't want it to be kind of implied that everyone should be doing it. There's room for variety, and it should be embraced. That's the only message I was trying to get across here. So my bad if that was lost along the way.

Like I said, I'm a big fan of your stuff. It is harder to keep up with, which is why I generally have to read & recap in LARGE doses whenever I can find the time to invest & really delve into it. It's good if you're comfortable doing it. But maybe this suits Ape's schedule or routine better, that's all.

[Grape Ape]

Nov 30, 2013 15:34:24 GMT -5 @jp1985 said:

I apologize to Grape if somewhere in there I gave the impression that he should be doing more, maybe in the first reply when I asked for finishes to the matches I guess. That was not my intention in here though in case he took it that way.

No need to apologize to me. This was more or less a test and will be adjusted accordingly.

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Ahh it works man. I wouldn't change it. I don't remember who started this format, it was whoever ran ECW before me (Walk maybe?) back on the "other board", it worked then (so I stole it hehe), and continues to work there so no reason why it wouldn't work here.

One thing I'd recommend stealing (or borrowing) is how Pack puts it all together JUST BEFORE he starts posting the next round of TV, presenting it as the VHS version. It's a fun little idea that adds a lot to realism.

ECW's off to a good start, was kind of shocked you ended the Omar Atlas experiment, but it makes sense man. Can't wait to see how this plays out on TV.

[Grape Ape]

As noted on the house show, I have a three stage plan set in place, so things will change in the presentation.